De bouteilles?

andyscattergoodSun, 25 Jul 2010 14:26:29 -0500
Why does Claire say "D'ordinaire nous ne vendons pas de bouteilles non ouvertes" Shouldn't it be "des"?
andyscattergoodSun, 25 Jul 2010 14:50:14 -0500
In a subsequent conversation there seems to be an anomaly where "de" and "des" appear to be used in identical circumstances;-

Claire - Nous avons de charmants tableaux par ici.

Paul - Est-ce que vous avez des pantoufles?

I don't suppose that both can be right but I would be very interested to find out how the circumstances differ if they are both right.

Andy
gndmossThu, 29 Jul 2010 16:02:37 -0500
I was taught that if in the negative using ne / pas you always use "de" afterward, never "des".
I learned this in a french class.
Marie-Claire RivièreTue, 03 Aug 2010 21:42:49 -0500
Salut!

Great question! Keep 'em coming!

The reason we transform "des" into "de" is because there is extra information about the noun.

For example: un tableau (a painting) - des tableaux (paintings)
un beau tableau (a beautiful painting) - de beaux tableaux (beautiful paintings)

As soon as something comes between the indefinite article plural (des) and the noun, "des" becomes "de".

"Des" also becomes "de" in the negative form of a sentence.
For example: J'ai des chevaux (I have horses) - Je n'ai pas de chevaux (I don't have horses).

I hope this helps and if you have any other questions, let me know!
Jackie OWed, 09 Feb 2011 15:08:17 -0600
I need to know when to add les and des to a sentence.
Marie-Claire RivièreMon, 21 Feb 2011 02:15:31 -0600
Salut Jackie,

This is something that doesn't really have a particular rule - it goes with the context of a sentence. The best way to learn this is by going through the course and learning about these as you go bit-by-bit.

If you have a specific sentence in mind, please let me know!

Maire-Claire
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