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Du vs. De

Paris-France-MarseilleFrench NoviceMon, 06 Dec 2010 06:53:08 +0000
While I was reviewing a Lesson Plan from Rocket French Premium I came upon a slight confusion. It was the use of de and du.
Are those two interchangeable? Or are there certain scenarios when it is grammatically correct to use de instead of du?
Ex:
Why is it: Une tranche de pain, instead of: Une tranche du pain.
Or.
Why is it: Le goût du vin, instead of: Le goût de vin.

Merci!
Narissa AFrench NoviceSun, 19 Dec 2010 02:40:46 +0000
Now I am getting confused!
I thought when a word was masculine as in 'le pain' 'du' was used instead of 'de le pain' it became 'du pain'.

It would be nice to have some clarification
merci
Marie-Claire RivièreGreen Star French Master ★★★Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:31:25 +0000
Hi Everyone,

Thanks for your posts!

DE and DU are not interchangeable.
'Du' is used as a preposition meaning 'of' or as an adjective meaning 'any/some.'

'De' means 'of/from' in when relating to a noun.

I hope this example sentences help to clarify.

I'd like a slice of bread = Je voudrais une tranche de pain
I'd like some bread = Je voudrais du pain

L'eau a un goût de vin = The water tastes like (of) wine
J'aime le goût du vin = I like the taste of wine

Bon chance!
Marie-Claire
Andrew CFrench NoviceWed, 29 Dec 2010 13:42:43 +0000
Sorry but i don't understand what you mean by 'Du' is used as a preposition

What preposition are you talking about?
Marie-Claire RivièreGreen Star French Master ★★★Thu, 13 Jan 2011 00:57:33 +0000
Salut Andrew,

All I mean by preposition is that it is the kind of word that doesn't have a real 'meaning' in a sense, but has to be used between or after certain words to make the sentence complete. It's just a little grammatical item.

Whereas when it's used as an adjective, it's describing the noun and does have a translatable meaning.

I hope this helps.

Marie-Claire
naina cFrench NoviceWed, 02 Mar 2011 14:06:24 +0000
hi


can you please help me by telling me that while using 'de' and ' du' as prepositions then where le,la etc....and a,au etc....are used??are 'de' 'du' are upgraded form of la,le...a, au....????

please help me...hope you will help me out!

merci!
StellabelleFrench SpecialistFri, 18 Mar 2011 23:02:18 +0000
You guys need a more detailed explanation in regards to de, du and de la.
I am including in this post a link that will help you from About.com
Make sure you sign up for the french newsletter. They are always answering questions and clarifying stuff like this. I'm findin that he more french I learn, the more confusing the grammar. Really, when I was a debutante I found it easier to express myself because I only knew one way to do it and I had a very small vocabulary with few choices. You'll see what I mean:

http://french.about.com/sitesearch.htm?q=de+du&SUName=french

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Nikki C3French SpecialistTue, 07 May 2013 02:49:21 +0000
Bonjour
I found this old thread when searching clarification of 'de' and 'du'. I thought I found it helpful until I tested it on the following example which is found on the link you posted previously on about.com. From what I can see both the examples below are saying a similar thing (that the book / basket) belongs to the student(s) / dog). however one uses 'de' and the other 'du'. Can you please clarify. Thanks, Nikki

le livre de l'étudiant / le livre des étudiants
the student's / students' book (belongs to the student / students)

le panier du chien
the dog's basket (belongs to the dog)
torusanGold Star French Master ★★★Wed, 08 May 2013 01:53:16 +0000
Hi - These rules are given in the partitive articles lesson (it's 14.5 in Premium Plus), but they work similarly:

du - Masculine singular
de la - Feminine singular
de l’ - Masculine or feminine in front of a vowel or silent H
des - Masculine or feminine plural

It's de l'étudiant because étudiant starts with a vowel, so you get the "de le" étudiant contracted to de l'étudiant.

It's du chien because it's formed from "de le" chien, which is not contracted, so "de le" becomes "du".
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