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Encantar, Gustar,etc. With pronouns

Ricardo/RichGreen Star Spanish MasterTue, 22 Nov 2011 05:41:47 +0000
Hola todos,
I have a question regarding the placement of direct pronouns with encantar, gustar etc. Those verbs that are used in the third person with the indirect object pronoun. If someone were to say:" me encanta éste sitio", and I wanted to reply : I love" it" too using a pronoun rather than "sitio" Would that be ? " me encanta lo tambien "or "me lo encanta tambien. I know the indirect object is placed before the direct object, and the reflexive proceeds the indirect, but I'm unsure about the use of the pronoun construction with these verbs.
Gracias,
Rich
Cristian Montes de OcaSpanish NoviceTue, 22 Nov 2011 19:49:41 +0000
Hola Rich
Using the example above you could reply to the expression "Me encanta este sitio" using the following:

A mi tambien...me tooo
A mi tambien me encanta....i love it too
A mi tambien me encanta este sitio....i love this place too
Pienso igual que tu!...I think the same as you
Estoy de acuerdo contigo!...I agree with you!

And for the word "sitio" you could use : Lugar, locacion...

Espero haberte ayudado.
si necesitas mas ayuda, hazmelo saber!

I hope this helped you. If you need anymore help , just let me know!
saludos desde México amigo!
RaymotSpanish NoviceTue, 22 Nov 2011 20:48:18 +0000
I believe that "Me lo encanta también" is right. And "A mi también me lo encanta."

Since Cristian hasn't actually answered the question about the pronoun lo, I'd also be interested to hear the answer.
Cristian Montes de OcaSpanish NoviceTue, 22 Nov 2011 23:02:50 +0000
Hola
"Me lo encanta tambien" and "A mi tambien me lo encanta" im almost 100% sure are not correct, the "lo" in the expression make it sound weird...the "lo" can be use in another way, such in "lo que a mi me gusta" or "lo que ami me encanta"...(that which i like or love).

And about te pronouns,
well these 2 verbs (gustar and encantar) are little bit tricky to conjugate
the direct pronouns in spanish are
me...encanta.....gusta
te....encanta.....gusta
lo....encanta.....gusta
la....encanta.....gusta
los....encantan....gustan
las....encantan.....gustan
nos....encantan....gustan

here is an example that i hope can help:

http://users.ipfw.edu/jehle/courses/verbs/gustar.htm

and for "encantar" you can use this one

http://users.ipfw.edu/jehle/courses/verbs/encantar.htm

saludos
Ricardo/RichGreen Star Spanish MasterWed, 23 Nov 2011 02:35:19 +0000
Raymot y Cristian,

Ésta discusión fue muy útil para mi. Muchas gracias amigos por su ayuda. ¡Que tengan ustedes y todos en el foro buen día de Accíon de Gracias!

Saludos,

Rich
RaymotSpanish NoviceWed, 23 Nov 2011 03:13:20 +0000
Thanks. I now agree with cristian. "gustar", "encantar" only take one object.
In "me encanta éste sitio", 'este sitio" is the subject, and 'me' is the object - "It is pleasing to me". Thus the transformation would be "Este me gusta", "El me gusta". And the subject pronoun would normally dropped, as in:
"He visto tu sitio. Me gusta."

[I think I'm right this time!]
Ricardo/RichGreen Star Spanish MasterWed, 23 Nov 2011 03:40:49 +0000
Raymot,

¡Que bueno! Tu y Cristian han encendido la luz. ¡Ya veo!

Gracias,

Rich
Cristian Montes de OcaSpanish NoviceWed, 23 Nov 2011 16:53:29 +0000
Hola a todos!
@Rich, Im glad this was usefull!

@Raymont! you got it right this time!! perfect!
Are you sure you are not mexican or something, you spanish is very good and above all you dont "learn spanish" you "understand or try to understand it" and try to reason what you are learning! congrats!!...

If you need anymore help , just let me know!...and "Feliz dia de accion de gracias" (Happy thanksgiving day)...i cant wait to get my hands on that turkey! (yes , eventough my family is mexican we do eat turkey in november! haha.

saludos desde Mexico!
Cristian Montes de OcaSpanish NoviceWed, 23 Nov 2011 17:02:47 +0000
I just read my comment above and felt it was not clear enough hahhaa...Im Mexican, and live in Tijuana, Baja California...since we leave so close to the USA some of our celebrations are a mixture between Mexico and USA. Obviously 90% of our celebrations are Mexican, but , when i was little i used to buy customes and pick up some candy during Halloween, and , for example this next thursday all of my family will get together to eat some turkey, ham, and smashed potatoes...(mixed with some mexican food also haha).

Bueno, me despido, si necesitan algo mas, haganmelo saber! buen dia!
RaymotSpanish NoviceFri, 25 Nov 2011 03:54:37 +0000
Gracias Cristian.
No, no soy mexicano ni siquiera uruguyano. Soy australiano. Pensé qué todo la gente apprenda una lengua para intenderla. Pero, me gusta la grammática - tal vez eso hace una diferencia?
Ricardo/RichGreen Star Spanish MasterFri, 25 Nov 2011 22:27:16 +0000
Hola Raymot,
Tengo una pregunta. ¿ De donde descubriste la información acerca de los verbos gustar y encantar con el objeto? ¿ En la computadora o en un libro? Otra vez gracias por tu ayuda. Si he cometido errores, corrige me por favor.
Buenos,
Rich
RaymotSpanish NoviceSat, 26 Nov 2011 12:58:52 +0000
The form of "gustar" is basic grammar. You can find this in any Spanish Grammar book, or on the web. Here's one: (There are hundreds)
http://spanish.about.com/od/usingparticularverbs/a/gustar.htm
Ricardo/RichGreen Star Spanish MasterSun, 27 Nov 2011 01:52:22 +0000
Gracias por tu respuesta. I am familiar with gustar and that site. I was inquiring as to your statement gustar, ecantar only take one object after you first thought " me lo encanta" was right; and where you might have looked that changed your mind. Dorothy Richmond's Book on verbs: Indirect object gustar noun. I guess I should have inferred that gustar does not take a direct object it is followed by a noun only. Or implied. In your example éste me gusta, éste is a demonstrative pronoun referring to something. I asked this on the LSLC forum and ended up pasting the answer from here.
Otra vez gracias,
Rich
RaymotSpanish NoviceSun, 27 Nov 2011 02:27:44 +0000
Oh, sorry. No, I looked nowhere. I thought about it.
If I'd chosen to think a little more before posting, I would't have made the blunder in my first post.
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