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Nein, und Ihrer Angestellten auch nicht.

sfpugh

From 11.3
Nein, und Ihrer Angestellten auch nicht.
No, and your staff member didn't notice either. (polite)

Could you help with the grammar used in this phrase.
Why Ihrer Angestellten.
This appears that Angestelten in plural so Ihrer is  polite feminine genitive plural.

If I am right, why is the genitive case used.

A further thought is that der Angestellte  could be a weak noun but what about die Angestellte? I thought that weak nouns were all masculine.  If Angestellte was declined like a weak noun, it could be singular as in the translation.

Liss-Rocket-Languages-Tutor

Hallo sfpugh!

As a matter of fact, there's an issue in the German here - which might be why it isn't quite making sense! It should be Nein, und Ihrem Angestellten auch nicht. [EDIT: The sentence was misread, and is actually correct! A full explanation can be found in the later response below.] 

Ihrem Angestellten is singular, masculine and in the dative case. It is dative because of the verb used in the previous sentence, auffallen.

I hope that that clears everything up! Do let me know if you have any more questions about it. In the meantime, I will pass this on so that the error gets fixed.

Bis zum nächsten Mal,

Liss

sfpugh

Thank you! That explains it.

sfpugh

The error is still not fixed

Julia-Rocket-German-Tutor

Hi sfpugh, 

I will follow this up with another team member to get it resolved. 

Thanks
Julia

Liss-Rocket-Languages-Tutor

Hallo sfpugh!

My apologies that it has taken us a while to get to this: the audio in this phrase couldn't be fixed easily, and so it was slated to be re-recorded. 

Looking at it again, however, I've realized that I actually misread the sentence the first time around, and somehow managed to make a typo in my response to you as well - my apologies for causing you confusion! I've fixed the typo my response now so that it will read properly to future users. 

To respond to your original question: the sentence Nein, und Ihrer Angestellten auch nicht is grammatically correct, and it is referring to a single feminine employee. Ihrer Angestellten here is in the dative case (because of auffallen, as covered in the response above), and since it is feminine singular, we use Ihrer for the formal "your" and we also add an -n to Angestellte "employee."

The reason why we add the -n to Angestellte here isn't because it's a weak noun - as you've pointed out, most weak nouns are masculine. It's because this is an adjectival noun - that is, an adjective that is being used as a noun. Adjectival nouns obey the same rules as adjectives for their endings.

I hope that this clears everything up, and I do apologize for having misread the sentence initially! Let me know if you have any more questions on this.

Tschüss!

Liss

sfpugh

Ah, thank you that explains it. Perhaps an opportunity to put a hint in brackets after the german text?

Liss-Rocket-Languages-Tutor

Hallo sfpugh!

Thank you for the suggestion! I will pass that on to our development team. There are also plans for a new lesson on the use of verbs and adjectives as nouns at some point in the future, so that may help to clarify the situation as well. 

Bis zum nächsten Mal,

Liss

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