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Forum Rocket Italian Italian Grammar Agreement in passato prossimo with "essere"

Agreement in passato prossimo with "essere"

GwenR5

GwenR5

I have a question about this sentence from lesson 8.6: “Cosa vi è successo?”

 

In the passato prossimo with “essere” the past participle agrees in number and gender with the subject of the sentence, and “cosa” is a feminine noun, so why isn't it “Cosa vi è successa?” 

 

Grazie!

Enxhi-Rocket-Italian-Tutor

Enxhi-Rocket-Italian-Tutor

Hi Gwen,

 

In this case, even though cosa is a feminine noun, it’s not the subject of the sentence, it’s actually the object. The real subject of the verb è successo is the thing or event that “happened,” which is often left implied.

 

So in “Cosa vi è successo?” the literal structure is closer to “What has happened to you?” and successo is used in its masculine singular form because it refers to an unspecified thing/event (which in Italian is treated as masculine singular by default when not specified).

 

In short:

Cosa = what (object)

è successo = has happened (subject = unspecified event → masculine singular)

 

If you were referring to a specific feminine subject, then successa could appear. For example:

La cosa che mi è successa = The thing that happened to me. (Cosa here is the subject.)

 

Hope that clears it up, feel free to reach out with more questions anytime!

 

A presto,

Enxhi

GwenR5

GwenR5

Hm, I did some research on this question from another source and got a different answer. 

That source said that “cosa” is the subject of the sentence, but in this case it's a pronoun that points to an unknown antecedent. Since the default gender/number in Italian is masculine singular and the antecedent is unknown, “cosa” as a pronoun takes the masculine singular. 

If the subject of the sentence were the noun “la cosa," then it would take the feminine singular form of the verb.

Enxhi-Rocket-Italian-Tutor

Enxhi-Rocket-Italian-Tutor

Hi Gwen,

 

Yes, that explanation you found is correct and aligns well with mine, just from a slightly different angle.

 

“Cosa” in this sentence does function as the subject, but since it's referring to an unknown or unspecified event, Italian defaults to masculine singular for agreement.

So:

Cosa vi è successo? → “What happened to you?” → Cosa = subject, but it refers to something undefined, so we use successo (masc. sing.).

 

You’re also right that if cosa referred to a clearly feminine noun, we’d see successa instead, for example:

La cosa che mi è successa → “The thing that happened to me.”
Here cosa is specific and clearly feminine, so the past participle agrees.

 

So yes, we were saying the same thing in different ways: it’s all about whether cosa refers to something vague/unknown (→ default masc. sing.) or something clearly feminine and specific.

 

Love the precision of your questions, keep them coming! 😊

 

A presto,
Enxhi

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