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I need help with a grammar rule ...when to use io, mi, sto...( I am)

NathanF17

NathanF17

Ciao…I have been studying Italian for 2 years…very slowly…and I always have this issue regardless of where I am with my studies. When do I use the correct form of “essere” when it comes to actions I am taking?

io, sono, mi, sto…it is giving me anxiety all the time that I cannot get this grammar rule down after 2 years of working on this.  Just when I think it should be sono…it is mi. It's exhausting. Can anyone out there give me a tried and true table of when I should use the correct form and use a simple phrase, se è possibile, to show me. Also, give me the reason why it is used in that way for the action being taken. Grazie mille!! Nathan 

ChrisM108

ChrisM108

Ciao Nathan

Caterina will give you an excellent explanation.  For me, it's all down to conjugations and syntax.  Apparently :). I find it gets much easier when you go with the flow, and learn from examples from context in the Rocket lessons (via revision), and only resort to grammar rules when essential.

Per esempio: 

  • Come stai oggi? Sto bene grazie.
  • Come stai oggi? (Io) sono un po' confuso.

https://grammar.collinsdictionary.com/italian-easy-learning/essere-and-stare For a helpful, graphic explanation.

https://onlineitalianclub.com/free-italian-exercises-and-resources/online-italian-course-beginner-level-a1/introduction-to-italian-verbs/ If you want to have a look at the grammar rules.

I suggest you try different resources (e.g. YouTube) rather than get frustrated by your perceived lack of progress on this issue.  The more fun you have with the language, the easier it gets.  Just my perspective, having been mega-frustrated by the grammar in the past.

Buona fortuna

Chris

 

 

sebongela

sebongela

Hi All

I got so uptight with grammar, it just wasn't fun anymore. I am learning languages, because I enjoy them. So I have just relaxed about it and now do what I feel like and I believe that once we stop worrying about it, it eventually does come together. I find as I go through the lessons, I eventually see patterns. I really battled with indirect object pronouns and then even more so, when combining them. Now I have begun to notice them used in conversations and they are forming a better understanding. I just don't worry too much about it now. 

I do find on occasion being awake and night and trying to remember something. It eventaully does pop into my brain, even if it is much later.

Enjoy your language studies

Sebongela

caterina-rocket-italian-tutor

caterina-rocket-italian-tutor

Hi Nathan, 

Thanks for your question! Please don't worry, this might actually be one of the trickiest part about learning Italian...it will come naturally with practice and time, I promise! :)

If I've understood correctly, you'd need clarity on the difference between "sono" (from "essere") and "sto" (from "stare").  

"Sto" + verb is usually used when something is happening at this very moment:
e.g. Sto facendo i compiti (I'm doing my homeworks)
e.g. Sto mangiando la carne (I'm eating meat)

You can also use "sto" (stare) as "to remain/to stay":
e.g. Sto qui (I remain here)

"Sono" is from essere (to be) and usually describes a state:
e.g. Sono felice (I'm happy)
e.g. Sono malato (I'm ill)

Please let me know if you have specific examples you would like to explore, I'm extremely happy to help! :) 
Anthony1648

Anthony1648

I'm working through lesson 3.9 right now and it can be very confusing. From lesson 3.9 “use stare for some locations and states of being and essere for things that are permanent or temporary. ”

 

The definition of “il ragazzo sta in piedi” (remains standing or continues to stand) and “il ragazzo è in piedi" (is standing right now) is contradictory to "Valentina cane è calma" (is a calm person/calm all the time) and "Valentina sta calma” (is calm right now). These are examples taken directly from lesson 3.9.

 

I'm not sure why “sono arrabbiato” would be the correct way of saying I am angry. Wouldn't that imply I am an angry person if we relate it to the “Valentina è calma” example?

 

At the end of the day @NathanF17, I'd say don't let anxiety interfere with your speaking. Just say it the way you know it and 90% of the time people will understand you. You may look like an idiot through the learning process, but that's part of learning. I speak from experience learning French in an all French speaking neighborhood. But I would like an answer to this whole stare-essere question since there is some contradictory information as I understand it.

sebongela

sebongela

Hi Anthony1648

 

This is probably the incorrect thing to say.  

But I think it depends on why you are learning Italian. If you are learning to do exams and need perfection and high grades, then complete understanding is key. If that is the reason then Rocket languages is just not the place for complete understanding just not enough information in the grammar lessons especially. For me personally I want to understand and be understood and if I don't get it all, I am okay with that.

So now I do the grammar, but no longer overthink and stress about it.  Online Italian club had an interesting article today about it. I have subscribed to his newsletters and find he has a really practical and realistic approach to language learning. 

 

Should I make a bit of an idiot or for that matter a complete idiot when I speak Italian I will probably and thankfully not be aware of it. I can live with that too. 

Enjoy you weekend.

Sebongela

ChrisM108

ChrisM108

I agree with Sebongela's view.  Languages are either about effective communication or theoretical knowledge.  Grammar is a tool to assist with the former in my opinion, not the master.  I only became comfortable with grammatical knowledge after accepting that.  Lastly, each language has its own unique challenge - just go with the flow and enjoy!

 

Buona fortuna!

 

Chris

 

 

 

sebongela

sebongela

Hi ChrisM108

Hope you are well and having fun learning. You made me smile. It took me awhile to get to that point. and Daniel from the Italian newsletter put it in perspective. At one stage I got so frustrated, wanted to stomp and just stop even trying to understand the grammar. Just so much happier and content now and far more enjoyable. Decided not to sweat the small stuff.

Have a good weeknd 

Sebongela

ChrisM108

ChrisM108

Ciao Sebongela

 

Sto bene, grazie. E tu?  I'm still enjoying the learning and hope you're juggling Italian and German well.  I'm spending more time than usual on studying Ci and Ne, in that so much of it is gleaned from context, and that's far from second nature at this stage.  

 

A presto

 

Chris

 

sebongela

sebongela

Buongiorno ChrisM108

Sto bene, grazie. Am finding balance with both languages. For a bit was concentrating on German to get up to speed. Try and spend equal amounts of time on both languages. Am doing more book learning on Italian at this stage, to understand the grammar better. Still my nemesis, but am stressing about it. I really do find explanations in books more enlightening, as use several resources, to practice and get a better understanding. Have added Swedish to my repetoire and wish that Rocket would introduce a Nordic language. That I am taking very, very slowly, so different to anything I have ever looked at. We would like to plan a trip to the Nordic countries and even if all I can say is the basics I am good with that. 

 

Philip has no interest in languages, an engineer, although he does have a bit of French. When he used to try and speak Afrikaans I would almost fall down laughing. Being Portuguese he speaks that wonderfully and English too. To each his own.

 

Have a wonderful weekend

Sebongela

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