What is the dative and genitive form of Keine ? In the chapter 6.9 Talking About Something Negative it's as given as below Dative : Keiner Gentive : Keinen I believe it's other way around and the values are swapped. If so could you please correct the contents of this chapter.

Hi Karthik, What form 'kein' takes does not just depend on the cases but also depends on the gender of the article. Dativ: maskulin->keinem, female->keiner, nutral->keinem, plural->keinen Genitiv:maskulin->keines, female->keiner, nutral->keines, plural->keiner To give you a little comfort 'kein' is the negative indefinite article of 'ein' so it is declined like 'ein' and all nouns take the female article when plural. Let me know if you would like some examples. Lieben Gruß Paul

Hi Paul, thanks for your reply. May be my question was incomplete. I wanted to ask what is the dative and genitive form of Keine in Pluaral. In the lecture (chapter 6.9 Talking About Something Negative) it's given as stated in my earlier post (dated 6th Aug) Dative : Keiner Gentive : Keinen but in your response above it's stated correctly as below plural form of keine in Dative is Keinen plural form of keine in Gentive is Keiner Could you please correct chapter " 6.9 Talking About Something Negative". Cheers, Karthik.

Good catch. I looked it up in in another grammar book and it appears the lesson just has them reversed.

Hi Karthik, I have sent an email to the technical support team. Thanks for your help! Liebe Grüße Paul

I find the whole case system confusing.Best practice to simply, get my mind around this ?

I don't think there is an easy way. After awhile some of it sinks in automatically, but it's the hardest part of German, I think.

Thanks for correcting the lesson.

Difficult? But, it's easy:

The French do this:

OK - good

KO - bad

The German

ein - one

nie - never

Just write it forwards for positive and backwards for negative. Simple eh?

In all seriousness, the case system does cause the language to be more complex and challenging to learn.

I think we just need to find a good way to drill the table usage into our head without trying to memorize the table. Do any of these help?

http://www.professornolan.org/german_grammar.html

http://www.acampitelli.com/explain_case_in_German.htm

http://www.fluentu.com/german/blog/learn-german-with-music-songs-grammar/

http://www.learn-german-smarter.com/learn-German-prepositions.html

-Jason