te los da, nos los, selo

Ava Dawn

Ava Dawn

¿Te los da Héctor? Does Hector give them to you? Ellos nos los piden. They ask us for them. I see both direct and indirect objects in this example and they are placed before the verb Necesito dárselo mañana. I need to give it to him tomorrow- I see both direct and indirect object in the English sentence but I don't see it in the Spanish sentence. Wait I see it "selo" in darselo. Is that correct?
Ava Dawn

Ava Dawn

Before the verb, it's indirect then direct object pronoun. After the verb, it is still indirect then direct object pronoun. I realize, I can't hurry this stuff. Then there is the warning about the same words in the reflexive. Sigh!, I will deal with it later
Robert-C7

Robert-C7

You are correct. The direct and indirect pronouns can appear before the verb or attached to the infinitive. In the case of "necesito dárselo mañana", since we have an infinitive that we can attach these indirect and direct pronouns to it, and since we are "giving" "it" to "him", it sounds a lot better to attach it to "dar" rather than have it precede "necesito". The other way we could have said this is "se lo necesito dar mañana" but that just obfuscates things. Also, indirect objects always precede direct objects no matter where they appear. Additionally, 'se' is used in place of 'le' or 'les' if followed by 'lo', 'la', 'los' or 'las'. Now, if you give commands, you can also attach these pronouns to the command verb. For instance, "deselo mañana" or "deselo mañana a ella" translate to "give it to her tomorrow".
Steven-W15

Steven-W15

Just to add to Robert's comments, negative commands with objects have a twist to them: - ¿Te los da Héctor? Does Hector give them to you? - ¡No se los des a Héctor! Don't give them to Hector!
Ava Dawn

Ava Dawn

Well, I took the module 4 test and got 95%. The score is lower than the first three modules. There was a couple of questions that I just guessed. Thank you Robert and Steven. You guys know so much more. I re-registered again for the beginning Spanish at the Senior Center in January 2015. My instructor actually wanted me to join the advanced beginner group and I declined. I love my group right now and I want to advance with them. Also, I still work full time and the schedule for the advanced beginner class is later in the day. ¡No se los des a Héctor! Don't give them to Hector! Please explain "des". You don't give them to Hector. Don't tell me this is one of those subjunctives again. Robert also used "des".
ricardo-rich

ricardo-rich

Hola Aurora, While "des" is the second person informal in the present subjunctive, no des is the second person informal negative command. Once again, if I may, I highly recommend "The Big Red Book of Spanish Verbs" . You can easily find the answer to something like this and much more. Saludos, Ricardo
Ava Dawn

Ava Dawn

Thanks Rich. I just want to stay with Rocket Spanish for now until I have exhausted it. My time is very limited and I just want to finish all the lessons of Rocket Spanish. Please be patient with me. I have Diana and Vikki as my resource and also the Senior Center but I forget to write my questions down to ask them. My job is such that I am a trouble shooter for our computer system and my resources just answer me when I have a question. I also do the same thing with my clients. They have questions and I just answer them. I am hoping that someone in the forum can do the same thing. Plus you earn points by answering the questions. The forum motivates me. I guess I can study on my own but it is so much more fun to hear from the other participants. The reason I ask so many questions is because I don't hear from all the others. I am very grateful for those that do. Maybe if more questions are being asked by others, I don't have to be a bother to everyone. Now I understand about the use of the conjugated verb "des". Thanks to you, Steven and Robert.
ricardo-rich

ricardo-rich

Hola Aurora, In no way are you a bother and it is helpful to my learning to answer your questions, hoping I know the answer. So keep asking. I only suggest the Red Book because I found it very helpful as a companion to RS. Saludos, Ricardo
Robert-C7

Robert-C7

I second the notion that by answering these questions that you, Aurora, propose has helped crystallize my understanding of these topics. Still, you should get the Big Red Book and spend some time every day looking at it. It will probably save you time in the long run.
Ava Dawn

Ava Dawn

This is my proposal. For the more advanced Spanish learners, why don't you post questions that you think could benefit the participants and maybe learn from you guys. Pretend to be a tutor. I am actually tutoring someone who wants to do basic conversation using the RS format. He has enrolled a year ago and just can't get motivated. So far, he and I are doing okay. I do try to make up questions for him to get more interested in learning. And yes I will get the big red book sometime. I just want to see how much I can learn just by doing RS using the lessons and the forum. I would like to be at a point where I can explain to the person I am tutoring without giving him a link or a book. Let's see. First I have to motivate him. Anyway, thanks for everybody's help.

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